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Sunday, June 12, 2005

Another reading of the "Protect Hijab" campaign

I read the "Protect Hijab" post on Stellar's Rollercoaster Journey..... and I just needed to clear some points out...

Regardless of my own personal openion on the subject... I have few remarks...

1- The ban wasn't specially designed for the Hijab.. it was literally a ban on "Religious Symbols"... that's hell different....
2- This is a secular democracy. The ban was voted on.. and I think that it is absolutly legal... and if one wants to live in such democracy he needs to obey the simplest rules...
3- I don't see how this ban is a violation of religious rights... I'd like to have an explanation on that?!

In a secular system, steps should be taken to separate the state and religion.. this is a basic step.. and banning religious symbols in public institution goes in that category... and in any case religion might have an effect on civil institutions I think religion goes 2nd...

Modern states are built upon a so-called "Social Contract". By agreeing to be part of this state u are agreeing to this contract... and all the forms of this contract stressed the fact that the "group" abandons its individual rights to those of the "majority" not as individuals but as a wholesome (Jean Jack-Rouseau was one of the premiers to stress this fact)... and I believe this is exactly what's going on in France.. and until another revolutionary State theory comes up.. personally I'm sticking with this one...

I might compare this to Smoking Ban, and some might argue that smoking is actually clinically harmful, others will argue back that religious symbols are psychlogically harmful as well, because of what they suggest... and because of the differences and separations they might cause.. I still haven't made up my mind on this point.. but..

Finally, France is soveriegn state, and I don't think anyone (unless he's French) has the right to intervene in its internal affairs.. and I think that the Mufti of France made that clear in earlier statements.. (that I don't recall vividly) but I believe it was about -this issue being strictly a French internal issue that need to be solved between the French Muslim community and the French authorities- and so it happened... it was solved that way.


Blogger Stellar said...

Thank you for sharing your opinion but the problem is this:

Hijab is an Islamic obligation for Muslim women... It's not a religious symbol as a lot think it is. It's a violation because they are not allowing muslim women to follow an Islamic "obligation". 95% of the muslim community in the world, including me, find that very offending.

As Muslims it's also an obligation to defend Islam and it's obligations. I'm not talking about extremism because that's not even part of Islam. It's all man made stuff to gain benifits of their own. Islam is a religion of peace and moderation. We as Muslims again have to fight against these extremists who claim to be Muslims because they are also violating our Islamic rights.

My point is, the French goverment considered the hijab as something Islam can do without. That alone is a violation of religious rights, as I said, the hijab is an Islamic obligation.

Does it make a difference for a woman to wear modest clothes and has her hair covered at a working place or school or anything? If the woman is doing her job 100% and everything is great, where is the harm in that? Why aren't they giving us the freedom to Dress according to Islamic law? We're not forcing anybody to wear it. So it has nothing to do with the actual laws in France. It's like so the decision to wear pants or skirt.

To point something out as a friend living in France told me, in a hospital he works at, there is a Moslem hijabi lady and a Jewish guy with a kippa (Jewish headwear) The woman was ordered to remove her hijab and didn't say anything to the Jewish guy. She refused so she got fired and had to go back to Syria. So my friend and a group of collegues wrote petition against the double standards they had at the hospital. All they did is ask the guy not to wear his kippa not mentioning anything about any law. That was the end of it. Nothing happened. Is that democracy??

How about when another friend's mother was ordered to remove her hijab for a pic for her French passport or she won't get it. Even with her PHD and all her qualifications she's not allowed to work for French companies in or out of France unless she removes her Hijab. The woman is French and she has been stripped of her rights because of her hijab.Is that democracy?

They impliment these rules to a certain kind of people... Why the double standards?

June 12, 2005 1:41 PM

Blogger Stellar said...

I know my comment is a whole article :P That's why I added important information on my blog since I really don't want to take too much space on your comment section...

Thank you. :)

June 12, 2005 2:23 PM

Anonymous Makaarim Amatullah said...

"...the problem is this:
Hijab is an Islamic obligation for Muslim women..."

Precisely. The problem is with the hijab, and with the muslim woman. 'Obligations' based on FAITH, as opposed to obligations based on RATIONALITY.

Were violence, rape, and mob-mentality defiance an 'obligation' for some religion (e.g. Islam), then will you find your inability to practise this 'very offending' and a violation of your 'rights'?

You epitomise muslim ignorance.

Take responsibility for your actions and beliefs. Stop whining.

Why do you try to justify your irrationality by drawing a parallel argument to the Kippah? Do two 'wrongs' make it right? Or is this another typical example of diverting negative attention?

Do you really equate the wearing of a stylized, discrete symbol to the wearing of an anonymizing, intimidating hijab?

Who are you trying to kid?

The double-standards are your self-victimization mixed with your oppressive, arbitrary customs.

Mend your ways.

October 29, 2006 12:43 PM


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